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Matt Carkner Fights Jay Rosehill Before He Could Get His Gloves Off

1/20/2014

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There is a certain etiquette that goes along with fighting. That sentence sounds counter-intuitive but it's true. There are unwritten rules that go along with fighting in hockey and at the forefront is - find a willing combatant and let them get their gloves off.

As soon as someone drops their gloves, then have at it. But until they drop their gloves, you have to keep your fists to yourself. Former-Flyer Dan Carcillo found out the hard way back in 2009 when he punched Washington's Matt Bradley before he dropped his gloves. 

Monday afternoon, New York Islanders enforcer Matt Carkner took issue with Jay Rosehill and dropped the gloves. Rosehill, not one to shy away from a fight, looked to be ready to go but before he could get his gloves off, Carkner started his onslaught.
Rosehill is clearly agitated going to the penalty box and appears to have some choice words for Carkner in the process.

The fact that they fought doesn't seem to be the issue nor does there seem to be any question that Rosehill would've dropped the gloves. It's the fact he was getting punched before he dropped his gloves that is the issue. I'm not totally sure why he did not receive an instigation penalty (rule 46.11 of the NHL rulebook) as it reads:

"An instigator of an altercation shall be a player who by his actions or demeanor demonstrates any/some of the following criteria: distance traveled; gloves off first; first punch thrown; menacing attitude or posture; verbal instigation or threats; conduct in retaliation to a prior game (or season) incident; obvious retribution for a previous incident in the game or season."

Sounds like an instigation minor penalty to me which would've added two minutes to Carkner's fighting major. Flyers went on the power play after this anyway because of Matt Martin's actions with Steve Downie, which you can see in the background of the Rosehill fight. Everybody would agree that a 5-on-3 for two minutes is much better than a 5-on-4 for two minutes.

Either way, Carkner takes it to Rosehill who doesn't even appear to land a punch.

It was the eighth fight of the season for Jay Rosehill and his third overall against the Islanders. He has two previous bouts with Eric Boulton this season, including Saturday. It was Carkner's fifth fight of the year and his first since December 28th.

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3 Comments
Rich Bennis
1/21/2014 01:29:48 am

Rosehill engaged when he threw his left glove off which I saw from me seat and on reply after the fight. you can also see it in the replay of the above video. Carkner even waited until Rosehill threw his glove off to engage as to avoid the penalty. Maybe if Rosehill didn't play like such a scumbag he wouldn't have gotten beaten to a pulp so quickly

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Steve
1/21/2014 01:41:46 am

I'm not defending Rosehill by any stretch now will I deny he plays like a goon.

The point is "gloves" is plural meaning both of them should be off. You can clearly see he is willing to engage and is trying to get his other glove off when Carkner starts pounding him.

The way the rule reads, that's an instigator penalty. Would it have changed anything in the game? Probably not. As a Flyers fan, do I care Rosehill got the crap beat out of him? Not really, no. But the point is, etiquette says BOTH gloves (not one while trying to get the other one off) need to be off and the rule says "gloves off first, first punch thrown."

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Whiz Wit
1/21/2014 01:50:54 am

The :39 mark of the video shows Rosehill still has both gloves on and Carkner has already dropped his left glove. (It also looks like Rosehill is cowering in fear haha) I have a screen shot I can post to Twitter (@WhizWitSports) if you 'd like to see it.

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